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		<title>Comment on Progressive Canadians on a Better World by Kelly Brown</title>
		<link>http://truevote.ca/?p=51#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, interest post. I'll write you later about few questions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, interest post. I&#8217;ll write you later about few questions!</p>
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		<title>Comment on MP&#8217;s Should be Heard by Reid</title>
		<link>http://truevote.ca/?p=65#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I began reading your article, I was at first a bit dismayed for the reason that you said that local federal and provincial candidates say they will stick up for our community on issues. However, when I continued reading, I realized that it is the system itself that you were after, not the individuals. I agree, and I think that with the current system, it is very difficult for individual members to stick up for their riding, or go against the status quo. However, I question what the alternatives are: In the US, all I seem to hear about is lobbying and clauses on bills that have nothing to do with its original intention. What would be the result, if, at the provincial and federal level, politicians could be swayed one way or another on every vote? I also believe in the idea of representative democracy, and in that I mean that we are putting our trust in someone to make government decisions for us, which includes the party they represent. When we elect a Conservative MP, we know that the leader is Stephen Harper, and we should have an idea of the kinds of choices that will be made at that level. 

To say that our local representative does not have any say in decisions that are made is also an exaggeration. Much of the real work going into the formation of bills is done at the committee level, not right down on the House floor. It is there that our local voices can be heard. 
I can't say I agree with the level of influence that we are having at the federal level right now, but democracy rules and our MP is the one who was chosen by the people. If you want Conservative, that's what you get.
Democracy also rules at the federal level as well: What I mean is that what may not be a positive for the community, may be beneficial to others in this country. Think of the Atlantic Accords. These are the things that keep a country as massive and diverse as ours, together and fair. 
-Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I began reading your article, I was at first a bit dismayed for the reason that you said that local federal and provincial candidates say they will stick up for our community on issues. However, when I continued reading, I realized that it is the system itself that you were after, not the individuals. I agree, and I think that with the current system, it is very difficult for individual members to stick up for their riding, or go against the status quo. However, I question what the alternatives are: In the US, all I seem to hear about is lobbying and clauses on bills that have nothing to do with its original intention. What would be the result, if, at the provincial and federal level, politicians could be swayed one way or another on every vote? I also believe in the idea of representative democracy, and in that I mean that we are putting our trust in someone to make government decisions for us, which includes the party they represent. When we elect a Conservative MP, we know that the leader is Stephen Harper, and we should have an idea of the kinds of choices that will be made at that level. </p>
<p>To say that our local representative does not have any say in decisions that are made is also an exaggeration. Much of the real work going into the formation of bills is done at the committee level, not right down on the House floor. It is there that our local voices can be heard.<br />
I can&#8217;t say I agree with the level of influence that we are having at the federal level right now, but democracy rules and our MP is the one who was chosen by the people. If you want Conservative, that&#8217;s what you get.<br />
Democracy also rules at the federal level as well: What I mean is that what may not be a positive for the community, may be beneficial to others in this country. Think of the Atlantic Accords. These are the things that keep a country as massive and diverse as ours, together and fair.<br />
-Thanks</p>
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		<title>Comment on Election Costs by AndrewBoldman</title>
		<link>http://truevote.ca/?p=62#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>AndrewBoldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, good post. I have been wondering about this issue,so thanks for posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, good post. I have been wondering about this issue,so thanks for posting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Election Costs by KrisBelucci</title>
		<link>http://truevote.ca/?p=62#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>KrisBelucci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, good post. I have been wondering about this issue,so thanks for posting. I’ll definitely be coming back to your site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, good post. I have been wondering about this issue,so thanks for posting. I’ll definitely be coming back to your site.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Election Costs by KrisBelucci</title>
		<link>http://truevote.ca/?p=62#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>KrisBelucci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked this post. Can I copy it to my site? Thank you in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked this post. Can I copy it to my site? Thank you in advance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Election Costs by KrisBelucci</title>
		<link>http://truevote.ca/?p=62#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>KrisBelucci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, cool post. I have been wondering about this topic,so thanks for writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, cool post. I have been wondering about this topic,so thanks for writing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on MP&#8217;s Should be Heard by Alina</title>
		<link>http://truevote.ca/?p=65#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Alina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been reading "Losing Confidence: Power, Politics, and the Crisis in Canadian Democracy", by E. May.  Whether or not you are a fan of the Green Party, you will probably appreciate how she outlines how we got from "there to here", about the history of our parliamentary democracy and first-past-the-post elections.  One of the chapters very nicely discusses how MP's used to ALL be independents with no party affiliation and with an equal voice, and how they have changed over recent years to silent backbenchers forced to toe the party line.  How it happened and who did what is all included and documented.

Here's a quote from the book, which speaks to this topic and hails back to the topic on the necessity of political parties.

"If I were inventing democracy from scratch I would not have invented political parties.  In their current form, at their worst they represent an impediment to independent thought.  Mindless partisanship insists on  a team mentality.  My team versus your team - at all times and in all circumstances.  Political parties began innocently enough, but they are hardly an integral part of the business of democracy.  The party system elevates the "leader" above the collective members of Parliament.  And it shifts the focus of elections from who is the best candidate in a local area to who might be thte best prime minister.  In 1861 when John Stuart Mill wrote "Considerations on Representative Government", he did not even mention their existence.  Political parties are not referred to in the Canadian Consitution, and until the 1960s, ballots did not identify to which political party a candidate belonged.  Canadians voted for individuals.  The role of parties was initially so minor that MPs moved from allegiance to allegiance.  Sir John A. Macdonald referred to MPs as "loose fish".  Like many fish these days, independent-minded MPs are an endangered species."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading &#8220;Losing Confidence: Power, Politics, and the Crisis in Canadian Democracy&#8221;, by E. May.  Whether or not you are a fan of the Green Party, you will probably appreciate how she outlines how we got from &#8220;there to here&#8221;, about the history of our parliamentary democracy and first-past-the-post elections.  One of the chapters very nicely discusses how MP&#8217;s used to ALL be independents with no party affiliation and with an equal voice, and how they have changed over recent years to silent backbenchers forced to toe the party line.  How it happened and who did what is all included and documented.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quote from the book, which speaks to this topic and hails back to the topic on the necessity of political parties.</p>
<p>&#8220;If I were inventing democracy from scratch I would not have invented political parties.  In their current form, at their worst they represent an impediment to independent thought.  Mindless partisanship insists on  a team mentality.  My team versus your team - at all times and in all circumstances.  Political parties began innocently enough, but they are hardly an integral part of the business of democracy.  The party system elevates the &#8220;leader&#8221; above the collective members of Parliament.  And it shifts the focus of elections from who is the best candidate in a local area to who might be thte best prime minister.  In 1861 when John Stuart Mill wrote &#8220;Considerations on Representative Government&#8221;, he did not even mention their existence.  Political parties are not referred to in the Canadian Consitution, and until the 1960s, ballots did not identify to which political party a candidate belonged.  Canadians voted for individuals.  The role of parties was initially so minor that MPs moved from allegiance to allegiance.  Sir John A. Macdonald referred to MPs as &#8220;loose fish&#8221;.  Like many fish these days, independent-minded MPs are an endangered species.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Democracy and You by Ashley</title>
		<link>http://truevote.ca/?p=37#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Brian awesome site!!
I belive to get a higher turn out we need change!! We need politicians who are passionate about what their party stands for and the pressing issues of the day..we need someone who will motivate people to make change and someone who cares about canadian citizens and the plight of the average family not just big corporations.  Politicians today only care about themselves and how they can generate a profit for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Brian awesome site!!<br />
I belive to get a higher turn out we need change!! We need politicians who are passionate about what their party stands for and the pressing issues of the day..we need someone who will motivate people to make change and someone who cares about canadian citizens and the plight of the average family not just big corporations.  Politicians today only care about themselves and how they can generate a profit for themselves.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Do We Need Political Parties by yamaha service manual</title>
		<link>http://truevote.ca/?p=22#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>yamaha service manual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, i have bookmarked your site for future referrence :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, i have bookmarked your site for future referrence <img src='http://truevote.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Election Costs by Alina</title>
		<link>http://truevote.ca/?p=62#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Alina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here’s some fun election number-crunching.

You can do this for any riding...calculate how much it cost a candidate to obtain a vote.  The info to do this is all on-line on the Elections Canada website.  

In our riding:
Winning candidate’s costs: $70,360
	Number of votes:19 960
	Cost per vote: $3.52

My costs: $1214
	Number of votes: 2712
	Cost per vote: $0.54


Here is the website to go to if you want to see election spending details.

http://www.elections.ca/scripts/webpep/fin2/select_search_option.aspx

Where taxpayer money goes:
Let’s say there’s Sue, the candidate, and Joe, and elector who donates money to Sue’s campaign.

Joe donates $400.  Under election donation laws, Joe can claim this donation on his taxes, and get 75% of it returned to him.  Therefore, the candidate gets $400 to spend, Joe is out $100, and taxpayers are on the hook for $300 of that.

So now, the candidate spends that on the campaign, and at the end, files the campaign return with elections Canada, and assuming Sue obtains more than 10% of votes cast, she receives $240 back from the taxpayers (under election laws, candidate is returned 60% of spending).

Assuming the $400 is spent in a way that  attracts 200 voters (average of $2.00 per vote), and Sue’s party qualifies to get the vote subsidy, assuming $1.80 per year per vote cast for Sue (very close, though each party is different, as it is pro-rated), taxpayers are on the hook for another $360 per year.  If there are two years until the next election, this works out to $720.

Here’s the rub: For Joe’s $400 donation, he is on the hook for $100 of it, taxpayers are on the hook for $1260 of it.  Huh.  Cool math, eh?  As a math teacher, I find this fascinating.  We could develop a whole new math called “election math”, where the numbers don’t have to add up the way they did in school!

None of this is contingent on whether Sue wins, only that she and her party reach certain percentage benchmarks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s some fun election number-crunching.</p>
<p>You can do this for any riding&#8230;calculate how much it cost a candidate to obtain a vote.  The info to do this is all on-line on the Elections Canada website.  </p>
<p>In our riding:<br />
Winning candidate’s costs: $70,360<br />
	Number of votes:19 960<br />
	Cost per vote: $3.52</p>
<p>My costs: $1214<br />
	Number of votes: 2712<br />
	Cost per vote: $0.54</p>
<p>Here is the website to go to if you want to see election spending details.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.elections.ca/scripts/webpep/fin2/select_search_option.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.elections.ca/scripts/webpep/fin2/select_search_option.aspx</a></p>
<p>Where taxpayer money goes:<br />
Let’s say there’s Sue, the candidate, and Joe, and elector who donates money to Sue’s campaign.</p>
<p>Joe donates $400.  Under election donation laws, Joe can claim this donation on his taxes, and get 75% of it returned to him.  Therefore, the candidate gets $400 to spend, Joe is out $100, and taxpayers are on the hook for $300 of that.</p>
<p>So now, the candidate spends that on the campaign, and at the end, files the campaign return with elections Canada, and assuming Sue obtains more than 10% of votes cast, she receives $240 back from the taxpayers (under election laws, candidate is returned 60% of spending).</p>
<p>Assuming the $400 is spent in a way that  attracts 200 voters (average of $2.00 per vote), and Sue’s party qualifies to get the vote subsidy, assuming $1.80 per year per vote cast for Sue (very close, though each party is different, as it is pro-rated), taxpayers are on the hook for another $360 per year.  If there are two years until the next election, this works out to $720.</p>
<p>Here’s the rub: For Joe’s $400 donation, he is on the hook for $100 of it, taxpayers are on the hook for $1260 of it.  Huh.  Cool math, eh?  As a math teacher, I find this fascinating.  We could develop a whole new math called “election math”, where the numbers don’t have to add up the way they did in school!</p>
<p>None of this is contingent on whether Sue wins, only that she and her party reach certain percentage benchmarks.</p>
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